Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of African Americans with Native American ancestry
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sr13 08:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- List of African Americans with Native American ancestry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
A huge percentage of the African-American population has some Native American ancestry, and this list doesn't give us any guideline or justification for its existence. A three-way intersection with questionable notability. Bulldog123 18:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - wow is this a huge potential WP:BLP violation. Bigdaddy1981 20:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, so common as to be unnotable. --Dhartung | Talk 21:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete Almost completely unsourced-- the website mentions Della Reese. This is the first I've ever heard that Martin Luther King had American Indian ancestors, and naturally no cite for that. Tiger Woods, sure. Lena Horne, yes. But the Jackson 5? Crispus Attucks? Frederick Douglass? C'mon. Mandsford 23:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It's not a huge WP:BLP violation, and certainly it isn't a WP:BLP violation at all for people like Crispus Attucks, Frederick Douglass, etc., but I have to wonder how notable it is. --Charlene 04:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - isnt it? I would think making unsourced claims about a living person's ancesttory would violate WP:BLP, especially in the event one of them was offended by/denied the claim --- which is possible. Bigdaddy1981 20:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- Okay, I'm not aware of the ancestry of Attucks and Douglass, so I assume you're correct... therefore, the author could have cited a source. Regarding notability, I think it would be just as worthy as a list of African-Americans with some white ancestry, such as Alex Haley. (Before anyone says "Barack Obama", or, as I did, "Tiger Woods", it's worth thinking about the fact that we tend to call a person with mixed Caucasian and African ancestry black or African-American. Franco Harris, with an Italian mother and and African-American father is a perfect example). Mandsford 12:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not either. I thought Douglass was part white. Bulldog123 12:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not every trace of blood is notable. Greg Grahame 12:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for any number of reasons above, and because fundamentally all these race/ethnicity labels are POV and OR and ultimately degrading: how much ancestry counts? does it count even if you don't know about it? and why does after some number of generations an Italian-, Irish-, or German-American become simply an American, but Asian, Latino, and African-Americans are always so labelled. I guess we never fully belong. Carlossuarez46 17:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Blame the U.S. Census Bureau. Everyone American citizen belongs, but the goverment mandates classifications for various purposes. I've never understood why society considers folks who trace their ancestry to Spain to be of a different "race" than those who trace their ancestry to anywhere else in Europe; nevertheless, White, Black and Indian persons who have ancestors from "Latin America" are lumped into one group. As for "African-Americans", Jesse Jackson announced that label in 1988, but unofficially, it's easier to say "Black" and "White" than it is to say the 16 letter version and "Caucasian". Mandsford 23:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It sure is, but quite a few consider anything that has a color hint to be hopelessly racist, preferring instead to use euphemisms, even when the same have no apparent meaning (for instance, many European whites would not consider themselves Caucasians, and at least a few Blacks consider 'African-American' an improper term). IgorSF 05:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. On a quasi-related topic, did you guys know Winston Churchill was 1/16th Iroquois? --Hemlock Martinis 08:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hadn't heard that, but it makes sense, in that his mother, like the Iroquois, was from New York state. Something like that would be easily verifiable. Where I live, there are a number of people who claim that they are of American Indian descent. Almost always, they're "1/8th Cherokee", never more, never less, and no other tribe. I guess they believe it makes them more interesting. Mandsford 12:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Cruft, unmaintainable. Blueboy96 21:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, or else pretty soon someone will make a List of Asian-Americans living in Hawaii With at Least One-Third African-American Ancestry But No More Than One-Thirty-Sixth Hispanic Ancestry. IgorSF 05:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.