Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Iwai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Bald assertions that GNG is met are undercut by the threadbare nature of sources presented in this discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 04:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Iwai

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Oceania. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment With 20 goals in 34 appearances, Iwai is Vanuatu's top scorer by a clear margin: Vanuatu national football team#Top goalscorers. I didn't find any SIGCOV through a web search. Maybe newspaper archives would yield more? Robby.is.on (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Vanuatu Daily Post seems to have an article that looks like potential SIGCOV (he's featured in the title and is mentioned six times in the text), but its in a language that Google Translate does not allow: [1]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11, Krio can translate some amount of Bislama, and a lot of it is cognate enough with English vernacular to at least figure whether someone is being talked about or is doing the talking. JoelleJay (talk) 02:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per source found by BeaniFan, clearly nsigjnficiant figure in Vanuatu football, Vanuatu all-time top scorer by a large margin, defintiyle has more offline sources as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: seems like it needs more input
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 16:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Doesn't meet GNG. The VDP source above is entirely relaying statements Iwai made, just without quotation marks (AFAICT, "talem" ("tell them") basically means "say" and precedes anything more specific that implies "saying" something to someone else, like "thanking" or "encouraging"). There is no secondary coverage.

Here's my rough translation: Newcomer iCount Yatel FC coach Richard Iwai is happy with the win over Penama FC last Saturday.

Coach Iwai said that he was happy with the newcomer club's first win after a long holiday break and thanked the boys for the performance they put out too.

Iwai was glad to see they got three points in the standings. He said he was happy (he could put?) 2 U-17 players in last weekend's match and pleased with their performance.

Iwai thanked Penama for giving them a good challenge and encourages Penama to continue to work hard in the next (upcoming) matches.

iCount Yatel FC [...] and coach Iwai is appealing to all supporters to come support the team in the club's 2022-2023 championship campaign.

Penama FC coach Colin Brown has said [...(rest of article)]. JoelleJay (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unfortunately, I can't find any significant coverage online. There is a WP:SPS that indicates he is one of the best ever footballers from Vanuatu, but I can't see how this article can satisfy the GNG. Perhaps create a redict to Vanuatu national football team? Jogurney (talk) 12:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep asses GNG with new references.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which new references? Could you share them? Jogurney (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - clearly a very significant figure in football in Vanuatu. Bar for significant coverage has to be lower considering how low-publicized Vanuatu is; however, the sources that I could find seem to meet the threshold for me, notably including many articles when he was a coach (1 among others). Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The bar for SIGCOV absolutely should not be lower just because a subject is from a low-population country. We wouldn't relax SIGCOV for a subject from a 300k-person city in Siberia compared to one from a city of 1.5 million in the Urals, why would we do so for tiny island nations? And the article you linked has literally zero coverage of Iwai. This is it in its entirety:
Vanuatu football coach Richard Iwai says the Friendship Cup was a welcome hit-out for his players ahead of next month's Pacific Games in Port Moresby, which doubles as an Olympic qualifier.
The hosts won this week's inaugural tournament in Port Vila, finishing undefeated from matches against Under 23 teams from Fiji, Solomon Islands and New Caledonia.
Richard Iwai says his squad have only been able to train together for the past month, after Cyclone Pam disrupted their preparations.
He will name his final squad to travel to Papua New Guinea tomorrow and says it will contain a mix of players.
"Some of the players who didn't play in the Friendship Cup I will put them in the squad. Some of my players too were not there because they had a problem with their jobs or it was hard to release them - I still have six players still missing. Some of them I am happy with them and some of them still no."
Richard Iwai says while his players want to win gold in PNG, their main target is qualifying for Brazil.
Every single mention of Iwai is quoting him. That does not count toward SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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